M - B skrev:Hej.

Spørger fordi, det vist er bevist at man ikke kan tabe sig mere end 500 g ugentligt, hvis man ikke er ekstrem overvægtig.

Men gælder der også en grænse for hvor meget man kan tage på ? og hvor meget er den ca. ?

Olai skrev:du kan SAAAAGTENS tabe dig mere end 500 gr. om ugen ligeså vel som du kan gaine 10 kilo på en måned hvis du æder igennem (personlig erfaring)

drezc skrev:Self. kan man tabe sig mere end 500gr om ugen. Og det samme gælder når du tager på. Dog er der her på siden opstået en fetish der hedder "leanbulk" - dvs. mange prøver at tage cirka 500gr. på om ugen for ikke at smide for meget fedt på rammen når man bulker.

fisken skrev:

Olai skrev:du kan SAAAAGTENS tabe dig mere end 500 gr. om ugen ligeså vel som du kan gaine 10 kilo på en måned hvis du æder igennem (personlig erfaring)

men hvorfor

Daviid0z skrev:man kan godt ta mer end 500 g på, man kan jo bare spise konstant.
Og hva jeg har hørt kan man ta 4 kg på i muskler om måneden som maks..

Magic-MJ-Music skrev:

Daviid0z skrev:man kan godt ta mer end 500 g på, man kan jo bare spise konstant.
Og hva jeg har hørt kan man ta 4 kg på i muskler om måneden som maks..

4 kg muskler om måneden ?.. Det skal du nok ikke være så sikker på..
Det ville være 48 kg muskler om året..

drezc skrev:Self. kan man tabe sig mere end 500gr om ugen. Og det samme gælder når du tager på. Dog er der her på siden opstået en fetish der hedder "leanbulk" - dvs. mange prøver at tage cirka 500gr. på om ugen for ikke at smide for meget fedt på rammen når man bulker.

Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned, andre kan måske nogengange kun tage 10 gram muskler på på en måned.....

Hippo skrev:

Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned, andre kan måske nogengange kun tage 10 gram muskler på på en måned.....

Gad sgu godt ramme sådan en måned bare een gang om året...det ville være sweet.

Misterhamper skrev:
Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned

Bay skrev:

Misterhamper skrev:
Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned

Det er fuldstændig umulig at gaine 10kg LBM clean på en måned.

Misterhamper skrev:

Bay skrev:

Misterhamper skrev:
Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned

Det er fuldstændig umulig at gaine 10kg LBM clean på en måned.

For næsten alle vil det være ja - men der vil altid være nogen få der ligger helt væk fra gennemsnittet (både positivt og negativt)

Misterhamper skrev:

Bay skrev:

Misterhamper skrev:
Og man kan ikke sætte tal på det. Nogen kan måske nogengange tage 10 kg muskler på på en måned

Det er fuldstændig umulig at gaine 10kg LBM clean på en måned.

For næsten alle vil det være ja - men der vil altid være nogen få der ligger helt væk fra gennemsnittet (både positivt og negativt)

Casper.S skrev:Lad nu være med at sætte håbene så højt op for folk. INGEN har nogensinde, eller ville nogensiden gaine 10 kg. LBM på en måned.

Misterhamper skrev:

Casper.S skrev:Lad nu være med at sætte håbene så højt op for folk. INGEN har nogensinde, eller ville nogensiden gaine 10 kg. LBM på en måned.

Casey Viator tog 30 kg ren muskel på på 1 måned, og der er jo sikkert andre der har taget mere på hvor det bare ikke blev dokumenteret.
10 kg er der sikkert ingen herinde der kommer til at tage på på 1 måned uanset hvad, men det betyder jo ikke at det er umuligt.

pullupman skrev:arrrrg det har jeg nu lidt svært ved at tro på

Google Colorado Experiment så men den gider jeg ikke snakke mere om da jeg jo godt ved hvilke svar der kommer fra folk....

Det er fuldstændig umulig at gaine 10kg LBM clean på en måned.

08guma skrev:ville bare lige minde dig om hvad bay skrev!;)

Misterhamper skrev:Casey Viator tog 30 kg ren muskel på på 1 måned, og der er jo sikkert andre der har taget mere end 30 kg på hvor det bare ikke blev dokumenteret.
Der er sikkert ingen herinde der har taget 10 kg på på en måned, men det betyder jo ikke at det er umuligt.

musclenet.com skrev:First subject (Casey Viator), 28 days
Increase in bodyweight........45.28 pounds
Loss of bodyfat..............17.93 pounds
Muscular gain.................63.21 pounds

Misterhamper skrev:

08guma skrev:ville bare lige minde dig om hvad bay skrev!;)

Coloroda Experiment påstår at de er clean - just saying, så det er dit ord mod deres.
Men det gør jo ligemeget, da det stadig ikke ændrer på at det for nogen på det rigtige tidspunkt vil være muligt. Det er derfor det er latterligt at sætte et tal på hvad man gennemsnitligt kan tage på i muskelmasse, for ingen ligger lige på gennemsnittet. Hvis man ligger langt over kan man risikere at minimere sine gains ved at sigte efter et for lavt tal. Hvis man ligger langt under gennemsnittet.... det ved man vel reelt set først når man har prøvet at sigte efter et stort mål.

To those of you who have doubts about the Colorado Experiment have fun reading this. This is written by Casey himself, so believe what you want. And yes that is the insane routine he used.

Chapter 14
The Colorado Experiment
By Casey Viator

There has been a lot of documentation and controversy regarding this entire operation. I would like to put my two cents worth in and tell everyone exactly how this went down for the record.

Here is my (Casey Viator) accounting:

I really had to diet hard to get my bodyweight down to 168 lbs. We calculated that my diet before the experiment was less than 800 calories per day.

I remember flying to Colorado in one of Arthur Jones airplanes, a Cherokee Six. Arthur always flew very high in the Commercial Jet Lanes in a decompressed cabin which always gave me the worst headaches. Arriving from Florida to Fort Collins,
Colorado, I had more to contend with than I had prepared myself for. I was one mile high and I had to aclimate quickly, but I knew food was coming soon. We arrived at the Lamplighter Inn, just outside of Fort Collins, where I was going
to spend the next 28 days of working hard, training and eating, no fun, maybe a movie now and then, we were there to work not play. Think about it, every day for the next month - eating, training my brains out like an animal, sleeping -
that was my job.

The next step was the weigh in. Body Fat count at Colorado State University was a very complex process. We used the Merrimac BodyFat Counter. This is one of the best Veterinarian Colleges in the World. The BodyFat Machine, or counter, was contained in a solid lead room with a huge crystal that was placed over my body. The radioactivity from my muscles registered my lean body mass.

Remember this was the 70's and this particular machine was considered State of the Art. I never questioned the accuracy, and still don't, of this equipment. This experiment actually showed me that even in my low bodyweight, I still gained weight and lost bodyfat. Eating was quite easy the first week after all my previous month and a half of dieting. With a healthy cash incentive per pound of muscle gain, I was raring to go.

The next step was to convert the Physiology Lab into a training facility. We had about 20 pieces of Nautilus equipment and prototypes to move to the second floor. There was even talk about the structural integrity of the second floor accomodating these pieces. Many tons of equipment was moved to that floor.

We had brought a new line of negative prototypes that we used for testing. For example, we moved the weight up into the contracted position for the muscle with our feet and lowered it with our biceps or triceps. We even had a negative bench
press which worked in the same fashion. There were many other types of prototypes such as the single pad Squat Machine. This piece was a real workout but in the end the mechanism that locked you out of the machine could not be perfected, hence it never ended up as a production model - all considered, this was a great machine.

The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit. The first two
sessions I ended up on the floor with a pulse rate close to fibrillation. But, as they say, "what won't kill you will only make you stronger." I tried to keep
my fat content down during my 6-8 meals per day. During my workout sessions,
Arthur would more or less sit in a chair and read the newspaper. If he figured I
was slowing down my pace he would say something insulting and I would get mad
and push even harder into the set, which made me achieve better gains.

The only rule was keeping perfect form. This was a game he and I played for
almost 10 years off and on. One thing about the man, he sure knows how to "piss"
someone off to make them work harder through their workouts!

My workload was so intense that my body absorbed everything I ate. My muscles
were coming back rapidly. This was a true case of muscle memory.

Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came
into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to
gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending
this study for years.

There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed
that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use
of steroids during this study, which is a very important point.

I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have
done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I
also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.

The rest factor is very important when an entire body workout is performed.
Proper sleeping and eating habits are also very important factors. When you work
your bodyparts three times a week briefly but intensely your body has to grow.
Proper sequence of pre-exhausting exercises is very important also. The safety
factor is observed very closely, especially during the first part of each
movement. That is when you have the strength to injure your self. The last part
of any exercise is usually not the most dangerous point, your muscles are simply
too weak to injure at that point. Throwing a weight or dropping or lowering a
weight too fast at any time can injure a subject.

The Denver Broncos came in for training sessions and to watch us go through our
fast paced training. Dick Butkus of the Chicago Bears was also there training
and observing what was going on. I was very proud of the results that took place
in Colorado and feel that this study has contributed to the awareness of how
much time is wasted in most individuals workouts. This experiment is still being
studied in colleges across the country today and also can be found on the
Internet.

I must say that I have injured myself on many an occasion in the gym - with
pectoral tears, lower inguinal hernias and many other injuries, however I really
managed to stay injury free using this type of heavy training, so I felt I had
to test out my boundaries. At my current age of 48, I feel this is not safe for
the average man: 750 lbs. squat, 500 lbs. incline bench press, 1500 lbs. leg
presses.

As I mature, I feel moderation would have been better for my overall well being.
Every injury was caused by bad form or explosive movements. If I can teach one
person the hazards of this type of training, I would really be very happy.

If any trainee is considering doing this type of training, I would make sure
that you work at your individual pace and push yourself just enough so you can finish the entire body routine.