qazws skrev:Chin-ups

Ellers ville den eneste mulighed nok være rows, som også træner "vingerne".

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Kolditz skrev:Jeg køre corner rows, elsker denne øvelse og syntes den går lige i ryggen/vingerne.

schulz skrev:

Kolditz skrev:Jeg køre corner rows, elsker denne øvelse og syntes den går lige i ryggen/vingerne.

Hentyder du til T-Bar Rows? Har aldrig hørt om "corner Rows" :S

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

DHL^ skrev:

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

Og hvad er bedst? Normale chins eller closegrip?

Søren1986 skrev:

DHL^ skrev:

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

Og hvad er bedst? Normale chins eller closegrip?

Skal vi ikke lige have det på det rene igen igen igen.

Chinups er med underhånd og smal fatning.

Pullups er med overhånd og bred fatning.

TeamBear skrev:

Søren1986 skrev:

DHL^ skrev:

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

Og hvad er bedst? Normale chins eller closegrip?

Skal vi ikke lige have det på det rene igen igen igen.

Chinups er med underhånd og smal fatning.

Pullups er med overhånd og bred fatning.

NEJ!! OMVENDT!!!!!!!!!!! ORH

SebastianP skrev:Du kan - som de andre også har skrevet, med meget stor fordel lave chinups (som jo er med underhåndsgreb og skulderbredde mellem armene) som nok er den bedste øvelse for vingerne overhovedet..
Pullups (med overhåndsgreb, og lidt bredere greb) giver også godt men ikke helt ligeså meget. I Pullups er det bare vigtigt at du ikke holder alt for bredt, da rotatormanchetten i skulderen, desværre risikerer at blive overbelastet, og dermed vil kunne give dig gener.

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

vQlse skrev:For at quote T-nation

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1954579

flamingopikken skrev:

TeamBear skrev:

Søren1986 skrev:

DHL^ skrev:

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

Og hvad er bedst? Normale chins eller closegrip?

Skal vi ikke lige have det på det rene igen igen igen.

Chinups er med underhånd og smal fatning.

Pullups er med overhånd og bred fatning.

NEJ!! OMVENDT!!!!!!!!!!! ORH

Nej. Ikke omvendt.

Chin-Ups: Underhpnd med smal fatning
Pull-Ups: Overhånd m. evt. bred fatning

Søren1986 skrev:

DHL^ skrev:

Koppel skrev:

Fitness-iver skrev:Chin ups is numero uno... :wink:

Quoted for truth!

Og hvad er bedst? Normale chins eller closegrip?

Skal vi ikke lige have det på det rene igen igen igen.

Chinups er med underhånd og smal fatning.

Pullups er med overhånd og bred fatning.

crel22 skrev:

vQlse skrev:For at quote T-nation

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1954579

hmm okay, men vil gerne lige høre jer andres mening om dette

crel22 skrev:

crel22 skrev:

vQlse skrev:For at quote T-nation

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1954579

hmm okay, men vil gerne lige høre jer andres mening om dette

vil stadig gerne høre hva folk mener om denne artikel. er det at foretrække at køre UH krophævninger, hvis man vil ha større vinger? kører nemlig selv OH kropshævninger, da det er det folk siger som giver bedst for vingerne

Bjørnen skrev:

crel22 skrev:

crel22 skrev:

vQlse skrev:For at quote T-nation

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1954579

hmm okay, men vil gerne lige høre jer andres mening om dette

vil stadig gerne høre hva folk mener om denne artikel. er det at foretrække at køre UH krophævninger, hvis man vil ha større vinger? kører nemlig selv OH kropshævninger, da det er det folk siger som giver bedst for vingerne

Jeg pakker seriøst masse på vingerne, når jeg begiver mig ud i noget seriøst UH chinups. Jeg kan virkelig mærke vingerne arbejde og ømheden bagefter.
Men prøv dig frem, se om du oplever det samme som jeg.

crel22 skrev:

Bjørnen skrev:

crel22 skrev:

crel22 skrev:

vQlse skrev:For at quote T-nation

T-nation.com skrev: PULL-UPS/CHIN-UPS

Misconception #8:

"They say pull-ups work your lats more than chin-ups because they minimize the use of your biceps. They're also harder so they must be better."

I can hear the whistle of incoming flames already. Some of you are probably thinking, "Surely this can't be a misconception." Well, just hang in there (pun intended) and hear me out. Others may be scratching their heads and saying, "But aren't pull-ups and chins just different names for the same exercise?" No, they're not. Let's once again define our terms. When you do pull-ups, your hands are pronated (palms facing away from the body when placed on the bar), and you typically grip the bar a bit wider than shoulder width.

This is a pull-up.

When you do chin-ups, your hands are supinated (palms facing towards the body when placed on the bar) and you grip the bar right around shoulder width, or a bit narrower or wider depending on individual comfort.

This is a chin-up.

Most people find that chin-ups are easier because you're better able to use your biceps, and pull-ups are harder because you can't use your biceps as much. They likely deduce that because of this, pull-ups allow you to put more stress on the lats, and therefore are better for lat development. It's an understandable conclusion, but it's wrong.

In the chin-up, the biceps are placed in a much more efficient pulling position. This enables one to do more reps, or use more weight, as compared to the pull-up, which places the biceps in a comparatively weaker pulling position. If we are trying to get maximal development of the lats, we want to maximize the loading (and loading duration) of the involved musculature by placing the smallest muscles in a position where they can last the longest or be loaded the greatest so that they don't give out prior to the larger muscles involved. Chin-ups accomplish this. Pull-ups don't.

Make no mistake about it, in the pull-up the elbow still flexes, and the movement will be over when the elbow can no longer flex. In addition, the lat contracts through a greater range of motion at the glenohumeral joint on the chin-up. Generally, it's always better to take a muscle through its full safe range of motion for optimal development.

Many times, though, trainees will become concerned with where they "feel" the exercise and they imagine they "feel" the pull-up more in the lats and feel chin-ups more in the biceps. However, unless you have some crazy strength imbalance and can curl your bodyweight, you don't need to worry about feeling chin-ups in your biceps.

By the way, about that upper back "pump" you think you're feeling in your lats after a set of pull-ups: what you're actually feeling is the teres major (a.k.a the "mini-lat"), a relatively small muscle that's being recruited more in the pull-up variation because of the greater adduction component at the shoulder.

That "lat pump" you feel after doing pullups is actually the little teres major.

I'm not suggesting that the pull-up isn't a viable alternative to chins on occasion, but I do believe that if you're using them to maximally develop your lats because you think your biceps aren't involved as much, you need to re-examine your approach.

Chins are probably a better option because you can increase the duration of loading on the lats and use more load in comparison along with an increase in the range of motion. The arm development from chins is a nice side benefit as well, which I'm sure many wouldn't complain about.

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1954579

hmm okay, men vil gerne lige høre jer andres mening om dette

vil stadig gerne høre hva folk mener om denne artikel. er det at foretrække at køre UH krophævninger, hvis man vil ha større vinger? kører nemlig selv OH kropshævninger, da det er det folk siger som giver bedst for vingerne

Jeg pakker seriøst masse på vingerne, når jeg begiver mig ud i noget seriøst UH chinups. Jeg kan virkelig mærke vingerne arbejde og ømheden bagefter.
Men prøv dig frem, se om du oplever det samme som jeg.

jeg vil helt sikkert prøve UH kropshævninger med vægt. syns abre hele tiden folk siger at OH kropshævninger er vejen frem til større vinger

DHL^ skrev:Jeg kan ikke finde ud af hvad der er OH og UH

Men kan da læse at chins er med håndfladen ind mod sig selv?

DHL^ skrev:

DHL^ skrev:Jeg kan ikke finde ud af hvad der er OH og UH

Men kan da læse at chins er med håndfladen ind mod sig selv?

Har fundet ud af det nu

Så konklussionen er at selv om OH virker bedre er UH det bedste?

Morux skrev:Der er kun en konge øvelse til vingerne og det er Yates Row. Generalt Rows =D>, Pull-ups er også for nice. Forstår ikke helt det med Chin-ups og vinger, den rammer da vingerne minimalt lidt så´en cirka omkring ikke. Har i byttet om på Pulls og Chins? Gad ikke læse alle de quotes

vQlse skrev:

Morux skrev:Der er kun en konge øvelse til vingerne og det er Yates Row. Generalt Rows =D>, Pull-ups er også for nice. Forstår ikke helt det med Chin-ups og vinger, den rammer da vingerne minimalt lidt så´en cirka omkring ikke. Har i byttet om på Pulls og Chins? Gad ikke læse alle de quotes

Og hvad baserer du det på?

Morux skrev:Der er kun en konge øvelse til vingerne og det er Yates Row. Generalt Rows =D>, Pull-ups er også for nice. Forstår ikke helt det med Chin-ups og vinger, den rammer da vingerne minimalt lidt så´en cirka omkring ikke. Har i byttet om på Pulls og Chins? Gad ikke læse alle de quotes